Conversation with Mary R (recorded by Joe Ragucci):

As part of our conversation, I brought up Carmen since I was writing some of  my recollections on his life.  Mary reminded me that Carmen was very attached to Uncle  Mim and was very angry when he married Louise.  Carmen would try to go to visit him (since they only lived a few blocks away) but Louise would chase him away. Carmen got angry one day and came with a knife.  She was frightened and called the police who arrested him.  That’s how he ended up in Marlboro.